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it would just say when they do the federal government has to recognize them. the other is a challenge to proposition 8 in california. that's the voter passed initiative that barred same-sex marriage in that state. now, that law was overturned, prop 8 was, by a federal appeals court that said you can't give a right and then take it away like this. if the supreme court does nothing more than uphold that ruling, it would apply only to california. so it may or may not get to the fundamental question about whether all states have to allow same-sex couples to get married. it could use the prop 8 case to reset question, but it doesn't necessarily have to. we're going to wait and see how broadly the supreme court wants to delve into this. >> how long do we have to wait before we see? >> they'll argue the case in march. we won't get the answer until late june. >> pete williams, always good to see you. >>> that's going to wrap up this hour of "jansing & co." >>> we are also covering marriage equality with equality matters. also on our agenda, wheels up. the president st
it would just say when they do the federal government has to recognize them. the other is a challenge to proposition 8 in california. that's the voter passed initiative that barred same-sex marriage in that state. now, that law was overturned, prop 8 was, by a federal appeals court that said you can't give a right and then take it away like this. if the supreme court does nothing more than uphold that ruling, it would apply only to california. so it may or may not get to the fundamental...
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at the core this is about asking americans to pay more americans to the federal government. this is just -- it's -- bill clinton called it kabuki theater. it's a way for republicans not to be ashamed and walk back the ideological core they've run on for the past few years. >> if president obama is able to come out and say i'm going to support getting rid of tax ducks for charitable organizations, hospitals, universities, religious organizations, i want to get rid of that tax deduction f he puts his finger -- his hand anywhere near that decision, he's going to be a loony toon every hospital, church, philanthropic in the united states, from the rockefeller down to the littlest catholic charity will fight that. they need those tax cuts to survive. it's a loony toon idea. i'm sorry. a little joke there. let me ask you this. let's take a look at president's last comment of the day. this is his response to gop's what i consider a face-saving proposal. here's the president. >> if congress in any way suggests they're going to tie votes to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink
at the core this is about asking americans to pay more americans to the federal government. this is just -- it's -- bill clinton called it kabuki theater. it's a way for republicans not to be ashamed and walk back the ideological core they've run on for the past few years. >> if president obama is able to come out and say i'm going to support getting rid of tax ducks for charitable organizations, hospitals, universities, religious organizations, i want to get rid of that tax deduction f...
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it's time to govern. the election is over. >> he is a phone call away and you know it. >> he is a phone call away? we will come right down to him. we sent a plan to him and gave him three weeks to respond. he has not sundresponded to our current one. you cannot negotiate with yourself. >> this is the part of the stalemate that people are so uncomfortable with, even if there's more action behind the scenes. congressman, you're a californian. the supreme court is going to take up the issue of same-sex marriage with the prop eight ban in your state as well as the defense of marriage act on the federal level. do you think the days of same-sex marriage being not recognized, unrecognized as a civil right, are coming to an end? >> i think the supreme court will make the decision. prior to this election, every vote has only been it's only made it through by a legislator, not the vote of the people. in california, the people voted it down. we'll see from the supreme court sz. >> how do you see it? >> marriage equa
it's time to govern. the election is over. >> he is a phone call away and you know it. >> he is a phone call away? we will come right down to him. we sent a plan to him and gave him three weeks to respond. he has not sundresponded to our current one. you cannot negotiate with yourself. >> this is the part of the stalemate that people are so uncomfortable with, even if there's more action behind the scenes. congressman, you're a californian. the supreme court is going to take...
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who among those four men has had the most important and lasting influence on our politics and our governing? republicans will all say ronald reagan and they will all be wrong because they no longer understand ronald reagan or themselves. no one will say one-term president george h.w. bush and everyone will be right about that. democrats will say bill clinton and they will be wrong. that leaves the last man standing, newt gingrich. i think that i can safely assume that none of you chose newt gingrich as the person who had the most lasting and influential on our politics and governing. and that is because the american media covers the presidency the way the british covers the monarchy. they pretend that we have a king, that nobody could possibly be more important than the president. the media simply refuses to comprehend how powerful congress is and how powerful the speaker of the house can be, something that the founding fathers discovered. why are republicans wrong when they say that reagan was such a great president? because nothing of reaganism survived his presidency. there is no reagan
who among those four men has had the most important and lasting influence on our politics and our governing? republicans will all say ronald reagan and they will all be wrong because they no longer understand ronald reagan or themselves. no one will say one-term president george h.w. bush and everyone will be right about that. democrats will say bill clinton and they will be wrong. that leaves the last man standing, newt gingrich. i think that i can safely assume that none of you chose newt...
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that's not a way to govern. when it's over, if you happen to win under that circumstance where you create a racially polarizing environment, ethnic callie polarizing environment then good luck governing. >> if you had a nightstick in your cup ber bun. >>> coming up, santa claus takes on paul ryan next in the "sideshow." this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, [ children laughing ] move to the country, and live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married, they'll find some retirement people who are paid on salary, not commission. they'll get straightforward guidance and be able to focus on other things, like each other, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... on your
that's not a way to govern. when it's over, if you happen to win under that circumstance where you create a racially polarizing environment, ethnic callie polarizing environment then good luck governing. >> if you had a nightstick in your cup ber bun. >>> coming up, santa claus takes on paul ryan next in the "sideshow." this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall...
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here's the question right now, govern governor. it seems that's a face saver because they say taxes deferred or delayed are taxes avoided. if they say we'll get to defending the rich later. we'll let their taxes go up in january. it seems that's a face-saver even if they say we'll get to it later. >> well, i think what happens, chris, though is think about the issue of leverage -- by the way, no oneç is thinking about what right for the country. let's think about the issue of political leverage. >> oh, you and i are. >> that's right. and alex, too. >> what about me? >> and alex. >> i said you too, alex. president obama has all the leverage because he knows if it goes over the fiscal cliff, tax cuts expires and he'll never let the top 2% get that tax cut reinstated. if they do what you suggested, vote the tax cut, continue it for the 98%, then the leverage switches to them come the time of the debt limit. they might be able to make a deal where they save some of it so it doesn't go up to 39%. maybe goes up to 37.5%. maybe they do
here's the question right now, govern governor. it seems that's a face saver because they say taxes deferred or delayed are taxes avoided. if they say we'll get to defending the rich later. we'll let their taxes go up in january. it seems that's a face-saver even if they say we'll get to it later. >> well, i think what happens, chris, though is think about the issue of leverage -- by the way, no oneç is thinking about what right for the country. let's think about the issue of political...
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we don't have new money for government to spend on infrastructure. government has to play a role here, but increasingly there's a desire from the private sector from private capital to invest in infrastructure. >> jay, we almost always talk about the developed nations and their economies. when they have problems, when they sneeze, the emerging nations catch the flu, right? they are dealing with the impact of the mistakes or the problems in the developed nations far more, right? >> well, i think that's right, toure. here's the interesting thing about infrastructure. if we do a very serious, large, infrastructure program in the united states over the next couple of years, we do two things. we employ a lot of people and good-paying jobs and near term very low growth. over the median term it helps to protect us and make sure we have the competitive position we need to benefit from the emerging economies in their growth as the emerging middle class in dhichi asia, india and elsewhere comes on stream in 2025. we want to sell into asia. >> all right, jay, t
we don't have new money for government to spend on infrastructure. government has to play a role here, but increasingly there's a desire from the private sector from private capital to invest in infrastructure. >> jay, we almost always talk about the developed nations and their economies. when they have problems, when they sneeze, the emerging nations catch the flu, right? they are dealing with the impact of the mistakes or the problems in the developed nations far more, right? >>...
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>> it's kind of a crisis capitalism in a way or crisis governance. they create an emergency by going over the fiscal cliff, and then they say because we have this big emergency, we need to do drastic things to defund mostly the domestic side of government, turn it over to private industry. whether it's health care or anything else. that's their aim. it's to drown the government in their bathtub as grover norquist famously said. >> i know. that sounds like the late senator moynihan, that the idea of supply side was basically to get rid of so much revenue the it's about torture. many critics say "zero dark thirty" suggests without torture we wouldn't have gotten the guy. but not everyone agrees. that's what the movie's about. it's going to be hot. >>> and the gop's favorite supreme court justice scalia just came out with a sugar plum. here he is. quote, if we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? can we have it against other things? >> do they really need this? >>> finally, let me finish with the problem with
>> it's kind of a crisis capitalism in a way or crisis governance. they create an emergency by going over the fiscal cliff, and then they say because we have this big emergency, we need to do drastic things to defund mostly the domestic side of government, turn it over to private industry. whether it's health care or anything else. that's their aim. it's to drown the government in their bathtub as grover norquist famously said. >> i know. that sounds like the late senator moynihan,...
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this is measurements of how tough it is to govern. it's going to be tough for the president. but, you know, when we -- and the poll shows when he's compared to boehner, when he's compared to republican, sometimes elections or policy differences are about choices. and if it's the president versus the republicans, he wins. >> he's able to win that choice. >> i want to move to gay marriage here, micah. in 2004, just eight years ago, 30% of the country was in favor of same-sex marriage. now just eight years later, a majority, 51-40. your boss said people don't understand this and sometimes in our short attention span society, this has been the most rapidly changing issue perhaps in the modern era. >> yeah. and another thing about 2004, 51% were strongly opposed and today 51% are total in favor. >> what do we have 16% in the strongly opposed category? it is really small numbers. >> here's the difference. it's all driven by age. once you hit that 50-year mark you start to get a net oppose. but everybody under 50 is in favor based on this question and the wording. it's all driven by
this is measurements of how tough it is to govern. it's going to be tough for the president. but, you know, when we -- and the poll shows when he's compared to boehner, when he's compared to republican, sometimes elections or policy differences are about choices. and if it's the president versus the republicans, he wins. >> he's able to win that choice. >> i want to move to gay marriage here, micah. in 2004, just eight years ago, 30% of the country was in favor of same-sex marriage....
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these are guys that went to congress not to limit government but to stop it. so what are you going to do? we have five democrats, five republicans that range from dick durbin from illinois and coburn of oklahoma, progressive conservative and five dems, five ren, one independent. that is a super majority. and for god sake, the reason we were so successful is that we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you. >> and there you go. alan simpson painting a bleak picture behind the scenes of the fiscal cliff negotiations. good morning. this is "way too early." thanks for being up with us this morning. we have a lot to get to on this thursday, december 6. >> including president obama actually making his appeal to business leaders on his tax plan. he's now reaching out following a very tough election campaign. >> and overseas, protests get violent in egypt where the once stable nation appears to be on the verge of crisis. first, let's get to the news live at 5:30 here at 30 rock in new york city. we begin with 25 days to
these are guys that went to congress not to limit government but to stop it. so what are you going to do? we have five democrats, five republicans that range from dick durbin from illinois and coburn of oklahoma, progressive conservative and five dems, five ren, one independent. that is a super majority. and for god sake, the reason we were so successful is that we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you. >> and there you go. alan...
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>> in an ideal world for what he views as the role in government and his second term in legacy building, i think he wanted a grand bargain -- >> i think he does, too, so he can move on to the progressive stuff he wants to do. >> second terms don't last four years. >> right, right. >> no second term in the modern era has lasted four years. >> i know. >> it ends somewhere before two years. >> then you move into foreign policy. >> very quickly, chuck is right. if they get the tax rate increase on the wealthy, they declare victory and move on. we can argue debate that -- >> you're both educating me tonight. it's about taxes. the president can win this one before christmas. thank you, chuck todd and chris cillizza. >>> up next, the story no one is talking about at notre dame. some people are charging cover-up. this is going to be a hot one and not very pleasant for me. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ [ male announcer ] jill and her mouth have lived a great life. but she has some dental issues she's not happy about. so i introduced jill to crest pro-health for life. selected f
>> in an ideal world for what he views as the role in government and his second term in legacy building, i think he wanted a grand bargain -- >> i think he does, too, so he can move on to the progressive stuff he wants to do. >> second terms don't last four years. >> right, right. >> no second term in the modern era has lasted four years. >> i know. >> it ends somewhere before two years. >> then you move into foreign policy. >> very quickly,...
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first of all, really, what it is is a shift of cost from the federal government to employers, seniors and states. in fact, because medicare is cheaper for beneficiaries, it's increasing. a president who ran on lowering national health care cost, it was one of the reasons why we have the affordable care act. it's when you increase the costs for everybody, and we'll cut out hundreds of thousands of seniors. the seniors are the hardest to ensure. you are raising costs of the medicare program, shifting costs to employers because they have to shift costs. it's making us less competitive. i don't understand -- >> what they are saying, what the signal the white house and its allies on this front would be sending out there is they say jonathan wrote this, there's important symbolic value. >> nonsense. >> but, let me -- the point i want to make here is, this is what they say. i wonder how we got into this mess in the first place. >> if we are talking political and efforts to send out messages, this will only create the kind of reaction we need to shoot this idea down. if people get put into th
first of all, really, what it is is a shift of cost from the federal government to employers, seniors and states. in fact, because medicare is cheaper for beneficiaries, it's increasing. a president who ran on lowering national health care cost, it was one of the reasons why we have the affordable care act. it's when you increase the costs for everybody, and we'll cut out hundreds of thousands of seniors. the seniors are the hardest to ensure. you are raising costs of the medicare program,...
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it's not me. >>> plus, new government warnings, how governments may be collecting large amounts of data on your kids. you're watching "first look" on m s msnbc. [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice. call or visit us online. >>> some stories making news this morning. "the new york times" re
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turning now overseas, new signs of desperation from the syrian government. for the first time in the two-year conflict, the assad regime is resorted to firing scud missiles to slow rebel forces. they close in on the capitol of damascus. officials say at least half dozen scud missiles packed with explosives were launched toward another syrian military base that was overtaken by the rebels. richard engel reporting from the region says two of the scuds landed in civilian neighborhoods. the news comes the same day more than 100 countries, including the united states, officially gave recognition to the syrian opposition forces. a day after north korea successfully launched a satellite into orbit, leaders in washington, japan, south korea are calling for immediate consequences, even the chinese are criticizing north korea's move. the three stage ballistic missile was carrying a satellite which u.s. officials now say is tumbling out of control as it orbits the earth. the purpose, unclear. the officials say the rocket is similar to design to one that could potential
turning now overseas, new signs of desperation from the syrian government. for the first time in the two-year conflict, the assad regime is resorted to firing scud missiles to slow rebel forces. they close in on the capitol of damascus. officials say at least half dozen scud missiles packed with explosives were launched toward another syrian military base that was overtaken by the rebels. richard engel reporting from the region says two of the scuds landed in civilian neighborhoods. the news...
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good governance. and obviously every member of congress has an obligation to their particular district and their particular constituents, but they also have a larger obligation, i believe, to the well-being of the country as a total. and so we are in a situation where some difficult decisions have to be made, but i believe the well being of the country must take precedent over every other consideration. >> of course, chip, a lot of those constituents don't think that a tax hike on the wealthy is for the good of the country and even though national polling shows that overall people favor raising taxes on the rich, you talk to congressman like ted poe in texas or scott in new jersey fnlg, they don't see it. if boehner wants a lawmaker to flip, how does it do it? >> it's going to be a tough sell. i was at a town hall last night where 12,000 constituents of this certain congressman participated. they asked the question, do you think we should do taxes, additional taxes, spending cuts, or a combination of
good governance. and obviously every member of congress has an obligation to their particular district and their particular constituents, but they also have a larger obligation, i believe, to the well-being of the country as a total. and so we are in a situation where some difficult decisions have to be made, but i believe the well being of the country must take precedent over every other consideration. >> of course, chip, a lot of those constituents don't think that a tax hike on the...
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>> i think she's serious about getting involved in government and playing a different kind of role in public affairs. she's always been a very outspoken activist and very knowledgeable public policy person. so she's considered a run. we know that. we don't know -- it might be against mcconnell. it might be against rand paul in 2016. it could be for governor of tennessee, but it sounds to me like she's certainly interested in playing a different role. >> and -- >> one that would seek office. >> and she's certainly got mcconnell's attention. consider this statement from ses is he benton, his campaign manager. i'm quoting. it's going to sting. we're doing to make sure that you don't come out with your nose clean. we're going to drive your negatives up and very aggressively and publicly litigate your record before the citizens of kentucky. benton, who ran ron paul's presidential campaign, says this was not directed specifically at ashley judd. is there benton preparing for a political campaign for a personal assassination. >> this is the way mcconnell has always run his campaigns. it's ne
>> i think she's serious about getting involved in government and playing a different kind of role in public affairs. she's always been a very outspoken activist and very knowledgeable public policy person. so she's considered a run. we know that. we don't know -- it might be against mcconnell. it might be against rand paul in 2016. it could be for governor of tennessee, but it sounds to me like she's certainly interested in playing a different role. >> and -- >> one that...
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the government is a staunchly secular one. they believe syria is engaged in what they consider a jihad or a holy war, and they're using that to rally muslims from all around the world to come and join the fight. western intelligence sources and others have reported on the participation of fighters from the caucuses, central asia, as well as from iraq and other neighboring countries. there's no doubt it is galvanizing many fighters to come and join what they say is a religious fight against secularism. >> we've heard talk of an increasingly desperate syrian government considering the use of chemical weapons against its own citizens. is this still a possibility or has president obama's warning been taken to heart by the authorities? >> well, it's extremely difficult to ascertain right now whether or not that is going to unfold like that. what we do know from western intelligence officials who have told nbc news is chemical weapons have been mixed at least in various military facilities in and around various parts of syria, but a
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the government certainly wouldn't let you in. but the free syrian army said okay, pass through this checkpoint. >> this time i went to turkey and crossed over the border into rebel-controlled areas. and you pass through turkish immigration and walk through this sort of no man's land. and then the free syrian army folks who look at your passport. they say welcome. and that's about it. then you're in syria. >> and what goes through your mind? you're in syria. that's not a place a lot of people want to be right now. >> look, i spent a lot of my time pretty scared, frankly, reporting in the case of syria i was in an area that was rebel -- clearly rebel controlled. and so it wasn't as risky as it sounds. and people always look at me, my job and think oh, boy how dangerous. meanwhile, i always think of those photographers and camera crews who are out there. i mean when they hear gunfire their rule is to immediately rush toward the gunfire. and my basic rule of traveling in war zones you never accept a ride from a photographer because t
the government certainly wouldn't let you in. but the free syrian army said okay, pass through this checkpoint. >> this time i went to turkey and crossed over the border into rebel-controlled areas. and you pass through turkish immigration and walk through this sort of no man's land. and then the free syrian army folks who look at your passport. they say welcome. and that's about it. then you're in syria. >> and what goes through your mind? you're in syria. that's not a place a lot...
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but the fact is the government would then have all of this revenue. if it spends that revenue to create jobs and regardless of what the republicans say, government creates jobs all the time from school teachers like your mother to people like my brother who was a ditch digger, and you could get to work because he was out there cleaning the culvert out after a storm. we need a whole lot of jobs created. if the government gets all the revenue and we push it out the door, that will help the economy grow. >> we had an excellent economy under president clinton at those rates. what are we afraid of? >> in fact, more jobs were created in the eight years of bill clinton than the 20 years of reagan and the two bushes. eight years. more than in the other 20. >> david cay johnston, great to have i don't with us tonight. thank you so much. >> you're welcome. >>> there's a lot coming up in the next half hour. stay with us. >> are you proud of what americans for prosperity has achieved this year? >> you bet i am. we're going to do more too. >> the koch brothers mon
but the fact is the government would then have all of this revenue. if it spends that revenue to create jobs and regardless of what the republicans say, government creates jobs all the time from school teachers like your mother to people like my brother who was a ditch digger, and you could get to work because he was out there cleaning the culvert out after a storm. we need a whole lot of jobs created. if the government gets all the revenue and we push it out the door, that will help the...
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in fact, the government, political leaders and the courts are catching up where the american public is on this issue. >> let's talk about what pete williams was reporting over the weekend. there are as many as 1,000 different benefits denied to gay partners where gay marriage is not allowed. >> that's exactly right. there are rights and benefits and privileges denied to lgbt, gay and lesbian couples, simply because of who they are. edie and her partner together over 40 years and unfortunately when her partner, wife, passed away, she was given a bill by the united states government for over $300,000. >> estate taxes. >> estate taxes. a straight couple would not have received that bill. it's simply unfair. if you look at the plaintiffs in this case, chris and sandy have two twin boys and just entering high school when we filed this case and by the supreme court renders the decision, they will be entering college. their moms still can't get marry. paul and jeff, the other plaintiffs in this case, said they want to be married before they have children. think eve been together more than a d
in fact, the government, political leaders and the courts are catching up where the american public is on this issue. >> let's talk about what pete williams was reporting over the weekend. there are as many as 1,000 different benefits denied to gay partners where gay marriage is not allowed. >> that's exactly right. there are rights and benefits and privileges denied to lgbt, gay and lesbian couples, simply because of who they are. edie and her partner together over 40 years and...
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it's more about limited government. that's the conversation. if you have that conversation with young people and with individuals out there that could care a less about what you do in your private life, that conversation wins. as a gay american, it's something i'm advocating for. >> as we spoke about with elizabeth birch, more than 70% under the age of 29 feel marriage equality is a nonissue and that, you know, young people coming up today think it's a no brainer. doug, many democrats cheered over the summer when president obama came out endorsing his stance saying he evolved on marriage equality. politico is writing his nuance language stopped short of assuring the u.s. constitution gives it right. he said it was best for states to decide. the supreme court is taking up a prop 8 and a doma case. does the president need to take a stronger stance on this now? >> i think he should. both on the substance and the politics. the constitution clearly states every american has equal rights under the law. that includes the right for loving committed cou
it's more about limited government. that's the conversation. if you have that conversation with young people and with individuals out there that could care a less about what you do in your private life, that conversation wins. as a gay american, it's something i'm advocating for. >> as we spoke about with elizabeth birch, more than 70% under the age of 29 feel marriage equality is a nonissue and that, you know, young people coming up today think it's a no brainer. doug, many democrats...
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that's why they're willing to shut down the government. they're not taking an oath to the constitution of the united states but an oath to grover norquist. if you do things like that you shouldn't have the right to try to continue to shut down the government and use the debt ceiling as a weapon. >> finally, congressman, there are reports the president may ask congress for $50 billion for hurricane sandy, you know, to cover costs of relief and rebuilding. do you expect that to even be held hostage as well by region sn -- republicans? >> yes, do i. >> so no agreement on fiscal cliff, no agreement on debt ceiling, no agreement on this either? >> that's because they are obstructionists. they've turned the win into a partisan political instrument. they've turned the weather into a partisan political instrument. we have a solution to thisç 37e have introduced a discharge petition. we think that we shouldn't be holding the middle class hostage. everyone agrees the first $250,000 in income should receive a tax increase. i believe it should be hi
that's why they're willing to shut down the government. they're not taking an oath to the constitution of the united states but an oath to grover norquist. if you do things like that you shouldn't have the right to try to continue to shut down the government and use the debt ceiling as a weapon. >> finally, congressman, there are reports the president may ask congress for $50 billion for hurricane sandy, you know, to cover costs of relief and rebuilding. do you expect that to even be held...
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az to the united states government, there's no reason to hold him. he was escorteded off the plane last night when he arrived in miami by authorities but was freed and is now free and with the tourists over there on south beach. he said last night that he plans to stay in miami for a while. he said there is a good sushi rest raw. he likes sushi. that's about all the guidance we have so far what he plans to do tamron? >> mark, bizarre story, for sure. thank you very much bizarre details. >>> the changing face of america tops our look at stories around the "news nation" today. brand new census projection say minority groups will outnumber whites by the year 2043. experts say there are two big reasons why, the hispanic population is expected to grow and the white population is expected to decrease. >>> it's what many i phone users have been waiting for, google map application is now available in the app store. apple outraged so many customers when it replaced google map with their own vers in september. the map prompted a public apology and firing of th
az to the united states government, there's no reason to hold him. he was escorteded off the plane last night when he arrived in miami by authorities but was freed and is now free and with the tourists over there on south beach. he said last night that he plans to stay in miami for a while. he said there is a good sushi rest raw. he likes sushi. that's about all the guidance we have so far what he plans to do tamron? >> mark, bizarre story, for sure. thank you very much bizarre details....
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we'll learned the government here has instructed the delay in that vote. why that's so important is because it is, perhaps, an indication what could come here in the coming days. one of the main demands of the protesters outside the presidential palace and tahrir square the president delay the vote on the constitution that was scheduled for december 15th. they've been arguing that the constitution does not represent all egyptians and, in fact, it was a constitution that favored isl islamists over secular forces. what we're learning is perhaps there could be a break-through in delaying that vote and meeting one of the demands. the president is expected to hold meetings on saturday with some of the opposition forces. not the main opposition forces, but several smaller parties and perhaps we'll be learning in the coming hours whether or not the demantsdss of the protesters, including rescinding a decree that gave the president nearly absolute powers and a vote on december 15th will be delayed. we expect that to be happening as you mentioned, though, tens of t
we'll learned the government here has instructed the delay in that vote. why that's so important is because it is, perhaps, an indication what could come here in the coming days. one of the main demands of the protesters outside the presidential palace and tahrir square the president delay the vote on the constitution that was scheduled for december 15th. they've been arguing that the constitution does not represent all egyptians and, in fact, it was a constitution that favored isl islamists...
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>> it's kind of a crisis capitalism in a way or crisis governance. they create an emergency by going over the fiscal cliff, and then they say because we have this big emergency, we need to do drastic things to defund mostly the domestic side of government, turn it over to private industry. whether it's health care or anything else. that's their aim. it's to drown the government in their bathtub as grover norquist famously said. >> i know. that sounds like the late senator moynihan, that the idea of supply side was basically to get rid of so much revenue the government had such big deficits that even liberals couldn't call for new programs. dana, your thoughts on that? >> that would be well and good except they're also getting all the taxes to go up at the same time, so they're not achieving anything by that. the republicans realize they lose politically if we go over the fiscal cliff, but this isn't just a political thing. the country loses economically if we go over it and then everybody is going to suffer -- >> let's go back to normal world. assume
>> it's kind of a crisis capitalism in a way or crisis governance. they create an emergency by going over the fiscal cliff, and then they say because we have this big emergency, we need to do drastic things to defund mostly the domestic side of government, turn it over to private industry. whether it's health care or anything else. that's their aim. it's to drown the government in their bathtub as grover norquist famously said. >> i know. that sounds like the late senator moynihan,...
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government and harvard university. if you talk about where ideas are coming from, and where sort of american innovation is headquartered, obama won it handily by 43% he won santa clara county where the high-tech companies are centered. >> sometimes stereotypes hold true, right? one of the things that's interesting in the context of the fiscal cliff also is where not only financial companies not just the takers, but where ceos around the country cast their lot. one of the things that's interesting as january 1st approaches is to see, you know, the hysteria on cnbc and how that's adjusted. >> we're not saying anything bad about cnbc but go ahead. >> but do ceos continue to push a kind of, you know, low taxes mantra, kind of traditional fiscal sort of republican mantra or do they really say, we need a deal here, we're really to give and push republicans in that direction. >> and it would seem like they are willing to come to the table and meet the white house -- i mean first of all they lost basically. threw their lot wit
government and harvard university. if you talk about where ideas are coming from, and where sort of american innovation is headquartered, obama won it handily by 43% he won santa clara county where the high-tech companies are centered. >> sometimes stereotypes hold true, right? one of the things that's interesting in the context of the fiscal cliff also is where not only financial companies not just the takers, but where ceos around the country cast their lot. one of the things that's...
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pentagon sources tell nbc news the syrian government has loaded seran gas a deadly nerve agent, into aerial bombs and is just waiting for a command from president assad to use it. this week u.s. intelligence detected that flurry of activity at chemical weapon sites. >> our concerns are an increasingly desperate assad regime might turn to chemical weapons or might lose control of them to one of the many groups that are now operating within syria. we have sent an unmistakable message that this would cross a red line and those responsible would are held to account. >> this morning in dublin a sign that the diplomacy is intensifying secretary clinton met with her counterpart, russian minister lab rov and a u.n. special envoy on the side of an international security conference she is taking part in. russia is one of syria's main allies but have opposed and opposed any u.n. measures against him up until this point. if clinton can submit russian support the u.n. security council might be able to pass a sanctions resolution against the syrian government particularly because of the chemical w
pentagon sources tell nbc news the syrian government has loaded seran gas a deadly nerve agent, into aerial bombs and is just waiting for a command from president assad to use it. this week u.s. intelligence detected that flurry of activity at chemical weapon sites. >> our concerns are an increasingly desperate assad regime might turn to chemical weapons or might lose control of them to one of the many groups that are now operating within syria. we have sent an unmistakable message that...
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. >>> a new government commission report finds that exporting the nation's new found surplus of natural gas would do the nation good citing the overall economic boost would outweigh higher domestic prices. >>> and economics team at virginia's lynchburg college crunched the numbers and found if the nation goes over the fiscal cliff, high income californians would beat out new yorkers and hawaiians for the potential highest tax rate at nearly 52%. >>> forbes is out with the 2012 most powerful people list. president obama held on to the top spot for a second year. the pope climbed two notches from last year. he is in fifth place. facebook's ceo mark zuckerburg went to number 25. former president clinton held on to number 50. and tonight be sure to watch brian williams sit down with tim cook. by the way, he's number 35 on the forbes list. >> finally, no, this is no joke. pizza hut in canada sent more than 100 bottles of pizza cented perfume to facebook fans. the fragrance boasts freshly baked hand tossed dough. >>> some optimistic news in the fight against breast cancer. women who took the
. >>> a new government commission report finds that exporting the nation's new found surplus of natural gas would do the nation good citing the overall economic boost would outweigh higher domestic prices. >>> and economics team at virginia's lynchburg college crunched the numbers and found if the nation goes over the fiscal cliff, high income californians would beat out new yorkers and hawaiians for the potential highest tax rate at nearly 52%. >>> forbes is out with...
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but right now it prevents the federal government from granting recognition to same-sex marriages like, for instance, in new york. if that is struck down, the people who are married in states that allow it will get full federal recognition. >> which is over more than 1,000 federal benefits that go along with that. >> it's very important. it would be very significant. >> jonathan, we talk about prop 8 in california. if that is struck down, does that mean marriage equality then for all intents and purposes is legal in all states? does what happens in california then change the relevance for 49 other states? >> well, this all gets to how the supreme court rules. you know, i think it was the ninth circuit -- the ninth circuit court of appeals when they upheld the decision written by judge vaughn walker. judge vaughn walker didn't go for the big expansive constitutional right to marry that ted olson and david boies was hoping he would go for. he had a very narrow ruling. will the supreme court stick to that narrow ruling? if they do, same-sex marriage, assuming prop 8 is knocked down, then
but right now it prevents the federal government from granting recognition to same-sex marriages like, for instance, in new york. if that is struck down, the people who are married in states that allow it will get full federal recognition. >> which is over more than 1,000 federal benefits that go along with that. >> it's very important. it would be very significant. >> jonathan, we talk about prop 8 in california. if that is struck down, does that mean marriage equality then...
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it is about governing. and john boehner for whatever you think of him is someone that wants to get a deal. he wants to govern. by doing what he has done, he is saying, look. enough with the games. we don't have the senate as you were saying. the only way we can do this is if i pull on the reins a whole lot. not just a bit. that's what he's done. >> the striking thing is how much outrage there is not. we had to comb around to find these comments. thank you very much for joining us. coming up, the bravest man in football this week is not one of those fearless giants on the field. it is bob costas. and he will be my next guest in an exclusive interview. nobody said an inkjet had to be slow. or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the business smart inkjet all-in-one series from brother. easy to use. it's the ultimate combination of speed, small size, and low-cost printing. th
it is about governing. and john boehner for whatever you think of him is someone that wants to get a deal. he wants to govern. by doing what he has done, he is saying, look. enough with the games. we don't have the senate as you were saying. the only way we can do this is if i pull on the reins a whole lot. not just a bit. that's what he's done. >> the striking thing is how much outrage there is not. we had to comb around to find these comments. thank you very much for joining us. coming...
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government. and i welcome that. he's choosing to do it outside now rather than inside the senate but he's had a huge, positive influence on the senate and we're going to continue to see that for years to come. >> senator, this may seem like a simple question, but i wonder, and a lot of people do is the senate from your perspective, is the senate a difficult place to be if you are someone who comes from executive background or someone committed to getting things done? is it a frustrating place to exist, day in and day out? >> i would say to you, i saw the article that you wrote earlier today, governors do -- who are used to having their own planes and flying around their states and controlling their own schedules do find it more challenging in the senate. i came from the state senate in wyoming. i enjoyed the opportunity to work with people on both side of the aisle to discuss the issues and continue to try to move proposals forward that i believe in about. i believe this is a place where you can
government. and i welcome that. he's choosing to do it outside now rather than inside the senate but he's had a huge, positive influence on the senate and we're going to continue to see that for years to come. >> senator, this may seem like a simple question, but i wonder, and a lot of people do is the senate from your perspective, is the senate a difficult place to be if you are someone who comes from executive background or someone committed to getting things done? is it a frustrating...
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there are people who can talk about republican governance and why it's better and why we should lean towards that but until you have that, it's tough to rise to the level of the gravitas of those in the white house. this whole notion that we're some discome bob lated party, we took it on the election and there will be scrambling around after a big loss like that. but we've got some voices out there and we'll see as we get closer and closer to it, we'll see who is running the show and i'm sure there will be new fresh faces out there and some of the old folks as welcoming out and talking about republican governance and fighting for lower ta lower taxes and less spending. >> here is harry reid's comeback. >> there's some confusion about who is the quarterback. of course, that is quite common when you don't have the white house. but there's no doubt who the quarterback is on the democratic side. the quarterback is the president of the united states. and unfortunately he keeps throwing interceptions. and we're moving backward and backward and backward towards the goal line. >> well, morri
there are people who can talk about republican governance and why it's better and why we should lean towards that but until you have that, it's tough to rise to the level of the gravitas of those in the white house. this whole notion that we're some discome bob lated party, we took it on the election and there will be scrambling around after a big loss like that. but we've got some voices out there and we'll see as we get closer and closer to it, we'll see who is running the show and i'm sure...
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it would prove that we are dysfunctional and cannot govern, et cetera, et cetera. in terms of dealing with the policy problem, which is you have this massive and growing debt, you have to bring in more revenues. there's multiple ways to do it, but critical ways to raise rates on the top end. it was what the election was about. republicans want to play the game where they think they get something. at the end of the day they lose worse if we go over the cliff. >> that's an interesting insight because you have alan simpson on the "today" show asked dp one side is a winner or loser off the cliff. here's what he had to say, chris. >> when you have leaders from the administration saying i think it's to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff or i think it's an advantage of the republicans to go off the cliff or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. >> chris? >> well, listen, you know, i'm not saying it's necessarily the best policy course. i wish people could sit down and negotiate this, but at
it would prove that we are dysfunctional and cannot govern, et cetera, et cetera. in terms of dealing with the policy problem, which is you have this massive and growing debt, you have to bring in more revenues. there's multiple ways to do it, but critical ways to raise rates on the top end. it was what the election was about. republicans want to play the game where they think they get something. at the end of the day they lose worse if we go over the cliff. >> that's an interesting...
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it is about governing. and john boehner for whatever you think of him is someone that wants to get a deal. he wants to govern. by doing what he has done, he is saying, look. enough with the games. we don't have the senate as you were saying. the only way we can do this is if i pull on the reins a whole lot. not just a bit. that's what he's done. >> the striking thing is how much outrage there is not. we had to comb around to find these comments. thank you very much for joining us. coming up, the bravest man in football this week is not one of those fearless giants on the field. it is bob costas. and he will be my next guest in an exclusive interview. this december, remember -- you can stay in and share something... ♪ ♪ ...or you can get out there with your friends and actually share something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. [ male announcer ] we began serving handcrafted coffees in seattle, and people
it is about governing. and john boehner for whatever you think of him is someone that wants to get a deal. he wants to govern. by doing what he has done, he is saying, look. enough with the games. we don't have the senate as you were saying. the only way we can do this is if i pull on the reins a whole lot. not just a bit. that's what he's done. >> the striking thing is how much outrage there is not. we had to comb around to find these comments. thank you very much for joining us. coming...
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these are guys who went to congress not to limit government but to stop it. so what are you going to do? we've got five democrats, five republicans who range from dick durbin of illinois, great progressive democrat, and coburn of oklahoma, a progressive conservative, and five dems, five republicans, one independent, that's a super majority. and for god's sake, the reason we were so successful is we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you. >> good morning. it's thursday, december 6th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, msnbc political analyst, former democratic congressman, harold ford jr. >> mr. professor. >> good morning. >> professor. >> and we have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner. >> financier. >> rattner is here. i like -- and we have to go back to that. it's the truth. >> it is! >> money is money. >> in washington, msnbc and "time" senior political analyst, mark halperin. >> we saw him on the streets of d.c. yesterday, and he was very cagey. >> the mean st
these are guys who went to congress not to limit government but to stop it. so what are you going to do? we've got five democrats, five republicans who range from dick durbin of illinois, great progressive democrat, and coburn of oklahoma, a progressive conservative, and five dems, five republicans, one independent, that's a super majority. and for god's sake, the reason we were so successful is we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you....
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was selected as the emissary for the government and really this story starts there. >> it does. because after the death of our ambassador, chris stevens and others, as you point out as our consulate, the question was this a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 or a spontaneous event? "meet the press" and other sunday program, ambassador rice indicated that her initial information was that it was a spontaneous convenient and not terror. we know after that, of course, said it was self-evident that it was terrorism. so, why was it that she was working off of those talking points? why didn't she push back furt r furtherer? stick to that line when we now note initial estimate, intelligence agencies, including cia director petraeus saying terrorism, indeed, was involved. so, that appearance earned her the criticism that she was playing more of a political role at the height of the campaign than leveling with the american people. and it's come to this point. now, of course, all eyes, brian, as you know, on senator john kerry, who is campaigning hard and thought to be a real cont
was selected as the emissary for the government and really this story starts there. >> it does. because after the death of our ambassador, chris stevens and others, as you point out as our consulate, the question was this a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 or a spontaneous event? "meet the press" and other sunday program, ambassador rice indicated that her initial information was that it was a spontaneous convenient and not terror. we know after that, of course, said...
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they're also thinking about what it's going to mean next year to govern and push for some other bigger issues around entitlement reform and in terms of immigration reform in some big ticket items that they're going to have to come together and work through. >> now, an thna anna marie, it' difficult being a speaker. but today, he got a little free advice from none other than majority leader nancy pelosi. listen to her advice to mr. boehner. >> do you know what it was like for me to bring a bill to florida to fund the war in iraq? it's tough. but you have to do it. so is the point that you don't want to put your members on the spot? figure it out. we did. figure it out. >> figure it out. sound advice. >> we did. [ laughter ] >> it's true, i think that pelosi, that example, is a really vivid one, if nothing else. considering the opposition that the democrats had. the compromise that she had to make. and, as i said, there are compromising going on that we don't know about. a lot of what boehner is doing is posturing in order to appeal to people on the base and to donors. he needs to look l
they're also thinking about what it's going to mean next year to govern and push for some other bigger issues around entitlement reform and in terms of immigration reform in some big ticket items that they're going to have to come together and work through. >> now, an thna anna marie, it' difficult being a speaker. but today, he got a little free advice from none other than majority leader nancy pelosi. listen to her advice to mr. boehner. >> do you know what it was like for me to...
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is this government different from the islamist government in, say, turkey? >> totally different. the turkish model is a model that was built actually in 1920 as a secular model. they resented the islamists. they forbid them from wearing veils on national television or institutions. they forbade them that. it represented a model where islam can be a political islam. you can be in the government, but -- he advised morsi, actually, and his brotherhood. he told them, when you are on television, shave your beards and wear a suit. listen to your opponents. listen to the seculars. listen to the women. listen, especially, to the chris man minorities. this is the only way you can be included as partners and leaders that are credible on an international platform. >> sit tight here. stay with us. i'd like to turn our attention for just a moment to syria. nbc news chief correspondent richard engel was able to travel inside. a rare report. >> reporter: in parts of syria that are controlled by the rebels, there's no talk of the diplomatic efforts to find a peaceful soluti
is this government different from the islamist government in, say, turkey? >> totally different. the turkish model is a model that was built actually in 1920 as a secular model. they resented the islamists. they forbid them from wearing veils on national television or institutions. they forbade them that. it represented a model where islam can be a political islam. you can be in the government, but -- he advised morsi, actually, and his brotherhood. he told them, when you are on...
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he is a very senior member of their government, and to put out that they think that assad will leave is really an indication that russia is finally facing reality and let's hope that this will lead to a reconfigure rags of the russian position. secretary clinton met with -- it may be that the united states and russia will now have an opportunity to work together. if russia could try to influence assad to leave as quickly as possible, that would certainly help the situation where too many people are being killed, and both russia and the united states have an interest in making sure that the chemical weapons stocks in syria don't fall into the hands of a radical islamist group or terrorist group which could happen in the event of the fall of the assad government, so american and russian interests may be converging at the end of this phase of the syrian conflict more than they were certainly, say, a year ago when russia was an unstinting supporter of the assad regime. >> nicolas burns, ending on an up note. thank you very much. >> good to see you. this just in. president obama moments a
he is a very senior member of their government, and to put out that they think that assad will leave is really an indication that russia is finally facing reality and let's hope that this will lead to a reconfigure rags of the russian position. secretary clinton met with -- it may be that the united states and russia will now have an opportunity to work together. if russia could try to influence assad to leave as quickly as possible, that would certainly help the situation where too many people...
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. >> an added wrinkle to the fiscal cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach its borrowing limit early next year. the white house stated its position on the 14th amendment, which some theory rise is a way for the president to raise the debt limit independently, should republicans attempt to use it as a negotiating tool. >> i can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling, period. >> the fiscal cliff talks reached a new low yesterday when, somehow, the new york jets got dragged into it on the senate floor. >> it's not one of my favorite teams, but it's really, really fun to watch, and that's the new york jets. coach ryan, he's got a problem. he has three quarterbacks, sanchez, he's got tim tebow, he's got another guy. he can't decide who their quarterback is going to be. that's the same problem republicans are having. romney's gone, but he's still in the background. we have mcconnell and we have boehner. who is the quarterback, mr. president? who is the quarterback? >> there's s
. >> an added wrinkle to the fiscal cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach its borrowing limit early next year. the white house stated its position on the 14th amendment, which some theory rise is a way for the president to raise the debt limit independently, should republicans attempt to use it as a negotiating tool. >> i can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling,...
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government will profit $22.7 billion. they owe 92% of aig and i did not, personally, think that this would work. but robert who came in as ceo and dealing with cancer turned this company around and sold a ton of assets and just, honestly, frankly, an unbelievable story. >> it is unbelievable. mike, we may -- t.a.r.p. same thing. >> off the bank bailout. off of aig bailout. >> interesting. brian, thank you. [ female announcer ] imagine skin so healthy, it never gets dry again. can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice.
government will profit $22.7 billion. they owe 92% of aig and i did not, personally, think that this would work. but robert who came in as ceo and dealing with cancer turned this company around and sold a ton of assets and just, honestly, frankly, an unbelievable story. >> it is unbelievable. mike, we may -- t.a.r.p. same thing. >> off the bank bailout. off of aig bailout. >> interesting. brian, thank you. [ female announcer ] imagine skin so healthy, it never gets dry again....